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of running the original picture. >>> turning to other offensive things. the fiscal cliff, which is beginning to be one of the great crashing bores in the history of world publics. you're three bright americans all involved in politics, in some way or form. the rest of the world finds this, not only laughable, but almost dangerously laughable, that year in, year out, it seems, washington goes to these cliffs. plays games, doesn't get deals done. what the hell is wrong with american politicians? alan dershowitz, what is wrong with american politicians? why can't they get around a table and negotiate properly? >> because all they care about is getting elected. nobody cares deeply about the future of america. we have america to urge with the israelis to negotiate with the palestinians. urging to negotiate with everyone but us in washington. we don't negotiate. our parties are so extreme. i'm a relatively wealthy person. i want to be paying more taxes. i want our taxes to go to serve the policies of the country, education, charity, health care. i think that president obama's right about this. but
the latest fiscal cliff shrugged off the concession on taxes. the administration is calling for a trillion and a half dollars in tax increases, and the other sticking point for republicans, much of it must be the results of tax rate increases, and that's a non-starter for republicans. >> flabbergastee. i looked, and i said, you can't be serious? i just never seen anything like it. we have seven weeks between election day and the end of the year, and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. you heard for the first time in two decades now acknowledge revenues can go up as part of the balanced plan, a good first step, but they have to deal with rates and revenues. >> this talk has lawmakers and analysts skeptical. they could strike a deal to have hundreds of billions in tax increases set for january. still, both sides have been through the debate before. they know the options available to cobble a deal together. one aid says it's too early for either side to reach an agreement knowing they still have to show to their members they pushedded for every possible point to
, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. it's only 2%. >> i want to bring in "usa today" bureau chief and welcome to both of you. where are we in these negotiations, susan? >> i think the most encouraging thing was they agreed to the to characterize the phone call. the last time around the characterization of the phone call became a controversy in itself. i think it's pretty clear that the white house and republicans think the white house hand on this is strengthening. we see the polls that you mention, pew polls this week say americans trust the president more, assume if a deal is not reached -- trust the white house more, think if a deal isn't reached it, will be the fault of republicans and it is in fact easier for democrats to go over the fiscal cliff than it is for republicans because then all those tax cuts from the republicans are swept away. but it's too early. it's only december 6. we've got until december 31st and in washington that's a long
to be digging in on a fiscal cliff deal and so right now it's a stalemate. >> for right now i would say we're nowhere. period. we're nowhere. >> what are the chance we'll go over the live? >> there's clearly chance. >> tuning we'll get a deal by the end. year. >> do i. >> i think we'll go over the cliff. >> republicans are angry the president presented them with an offer they don't think is serious. but the president's new negotiating strategy is clear, don't give in. don't start with concessions. even as some republicans say they don't think they need to put out any kind of formal proposal. let me bring in "the washington post" columnist and our politics reporter. good morning. so the headline in the "new york times" is pushing the gop to negotiate, obama ends giving in. and peter baker writes that president obama has emerged kind of a different style of negotiator in the past week or two, sticking to the liberal line, frustrating the republicans clearly. this is a strategy his base might like but i'm wondering will it make him a better deal maker? >> it just may mean that republicans ult
this morning begins in washington where fiscal cliff negotiations according to the "times" has "collapsed." at least for now. with less than a month until the deadline, who blinks first if anyone? >> goldman takes dell from a strength to a buy. is it time to look at the stock and maybe even other players in the beat up personal computer sector? >> manufacturing data out of china. not bad. 50.6. that's the highest in seven months. although shanghai again trades lower even europe's pmi improves a touch in november. first up, we're one month away from the fiscal cliff and so far the white house and congressional republicans are still in disagreement over how to reduce the deficit and avoid a raft of tax hikes and spending cuts. yesterday our own jim cramer and maria bartiromo were on "meet the press" and cramer had a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the
agreement on one thing. they are nowhere near a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. peter doocy is life in washington with more. >> republicans have had their proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff complete with 800 billion of new revenue over a decade on the table for more than a day now. it has yet to be publicly embraced by the slightest bit by any prominent democrats. because of that gop lawmakers are saying that means the white house wants to go over the fiscal cliff to make it a point. >> howard dean said it patti murray who ran the senator ideal committee. i think the presidency is a political victory for his party as they go over the cliff. i know republicans are concerned there is going to be a secondary session. >> the white house proposal raises taxes 1.6 trillion over a decade. republicans close loopholes and get rid of deductions. they say the mast won't work. >>> it is still out of balance. it is 800 million worth of revenues. he said he is going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the map it doesn't work. >> the house majority with kevin mccarthy said yeste
. >> the race toward the fiscal cliff without a deal in sight. we are hours away from the november jobs report. peter doocy is live in washington with more. hi, peter. >> today's unemployment effort will be the first since super storm sandy hit the east. any jobs that were lost economists are expecting a lousy report as a result of the storm. but regardless of what the number is, we are still one day closer to the fiscal cliff. even though speaker of the house john boehner's office says the lines of communication on both sides are open we know one thing is not being discussed by democrats and that one thing is extending the busheir raw tax cuts for top earners. >> oo i am not going to sign any package that prevents the top to go up but i am going to get something that is good for this fm lay and good for the american economy. >> in the senate mitch mcconnell proposed a vote on the part of the president's proposal that would allow the white house and not congress to control on its own without their input. but majority leader harry reid said that is not. >> if the president's proposal is made in
the iranians from going weaponized. all this fiscal cliff talk reminds us of cliffhangers in the movies but which cliff scene will washington's dare devil act look like? could we see both sides leap to safety at the last minute like paul newman and robert redford in butch cassidy or could it be more like rebels without a cause drag racing toward a danger they don't appreciate until it's too late. [screaming] there are other movies where going over the cliff is a planned thing like it was for bill murray's desperate character trying to end his recurring nightmare in "groundhog day." >> we musn't keep it waiting. >> he might be ok. chris: the worst movie analogy we could imagine ends badly for all concerned. let's hope and pray that thelma and louise are not boehner and obama. my own favorite clip is mount rushmore, "north by northwest," the hitchcock great with cary grant pursued by spies. the survival is never in doubt. not sure if that's true now. when we return, the hillary clinton for 2016 talk is ready to roar. scoops and predictions. chris: we just re-elected barack obama but the h
of job growth. a fiscal cliff go over -- >> snatching victory from the jaws. >> a superstorm. nothing can stop the generation of jobs in this economy. >> there's a great article today in one of the papers about how apartment building, we have a shortage of apartments and shortage of housing and shortage of autos and shortage of office buildings developing, shortage of shopping centers, shortage of shopping malls. this is what begins a movement. you have to hire eventually. now you could say people are not looking for work, come on. look, jobs are here. they can -- it can be just easily reversed if you have no idea what is the future because of washington. >> given the data points that we've had in terms of claims numbers that did reflect an impact from sandy, they said 85,000 jobs or 86,000 jobs were sliced because of impact of sandy. average hours worked unchanged. doesn't that -- i don't know -- doesn't that bring into question a little bit the participation in the survey. how can it have no impact whatsoever? it seems curious to me. >> it does call into question whether these numbers c
. for the top 1%. i just don't see any changes from the fiscal cliff that is coming up. guest: i think there are big changes coming up. i think the president has drawn a line in the sand and let republicans know he has no intention of allowing the tax rates for the wealthiest americans to be extended again. they were extended in 2010, but i feel there is a new resolve on the part of the white house to not let that happen again. i'm not sure if all the rates will be increased as much as the president would like. it could be that they get bumped up by a point or two, instead of the 45 that he wants to increase them by. -- four or five that he wants to increase them by. if nothing changes, then tax rates go up for everybody, which would be a very big change, but i do not think that is going to happen. host: here is a tweet. christian churches are not the only ones affected by deductions. holiday donations, how is that factoring into the fiscal cliff? is there anything going on that's give them more of an argument? are they coming to washington like everyone else to have their point of vie
weeks because he does not think the proposal to avoid a fiscal cliff is serious one. negotiations here are nowhere. another republican, senator lindsey graham thinks he thinks things are heading down hill. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it's clear to me they made a political calculation. the offer doesn't deal with the entitlement reform to save the medicare and medicaid and social security from imminent bankruptcy. it raises $1.6 trillion on job creators to destroy the economy. no spending controls. >> reporter: treasuresy secretary tim geithner advocated for clinton era tax rates and wants top earns to pay 39.6%. he said when that was the rate in the '90s there was was good economic growth and strong private investment. said republicans would rather raise revenue closing the loophole and limiting deduction need the time to realize that might not bring in enough cash. >> that is a good set of propose is and good for the economy. if they have suggestions, they want to go further, lay it out to us. >> secretary geithner said he cannot promise we won't go off the fiscal cliff. s
to keep the country from falling off the so-called fiscal cliff. who has the most, should gridlock prevail. >> heather: daring rescue mission in afghanistan to save an american citizen. we have the incredible story. >> gregg: a court appearance for an n.f.l. star accused of driving intoxicated and killing a teammate. we're live in texas. >> heather: we begin with the countdown to a potential economic disaster. the edge of the fiscal cliff looming larger as the clock ticks toward the deadline on january 1st. negotiators are trying to hammer out a deal over tax hikes and spending cuts searching for common ground. amid all the back and forth there are signing of a compromise. steve centanni is live in washington. are the two sides any closer together? >> reporter: there are two important signs today. speaker, house speaker john boehner met with president obama at the. we don't know how long they met or exactly what they talked about, but the white house says lines of communication are open and face-to-face meeting is on important. at the same time republicans say they will accept the demands
, isn't it jacki? >> the fiscal cliff negotiations? >> stephanie: yes. >> i love that they don't include the tax cuts for the middle class or the expiration for the bush tax cuts for the top 2%. and they are like here is our offer. if you are going to make a deal at least deal something somebody actually wants. >> yeah. >> stephanie: serious plan. they are like they won the election. >> it is totally farfetched and they are like i don't understand why he doesn't want it. >> stephanie: all right. here she is, jacki schechner in the current news. >> good morning. we already know that ashley judd can show a much wider range of emotion that some. she has been taking steps to assess her options when it comes to running for office. she is doing opposition research on herself to see where she might be most vulnerable. mcconnell will be running for his sixth term another option is to run against senator rand powell in 2016. there is a briefings tomorrow on the september 11th attack on our console consoleate attack in benghazi they the talking points were watered down by
here are worried about the fiscal cliff and the potential impact that it could have on american consumers as well as the factories here. eunice yun, cnbc, beijing. >> are those fears right, is the the expansion just investment-led and therefore not worth as much and that seems to be the insinuation? >> also i think china and china manufacturing has always historically been investment led anyway. much less consumer dependent than what we see maybe in europe and the u.s. but, yes, that meeting is just back into expansion territory. that's good in itself. global growth will be looking for china to be going ahead. so good but modest. so any demand elsewhere could have an impact on china. >> have we had the china slowdown? >> we've had mosts of it i think. but again, china is very much in recent line with the cycle of the global economy and we'll be looking for some of the big growth engines to help them, as well. >> what's the chinese swing factor for investors? >> sitting in europe clearly it's something we focus upon. is it a driving force, absolutely not. the tail risk i think is
the budget, why one group is not overly concerned about so- called fiscal cliff. plus, options for foreclosed homeowners. new hope even if you've been kicked out of the house. how airlines are hatching ways to sock you with fees. and, what tech stock is on the chopping block from one money manager's portfolio. first business starts now. you're watching first business: financial news, analysis, and today's investment ideas. good morning. it's tuesday, december 4th. i'm angela miles. in today's first look: as mixed messages come out of washington on the budget, stocks tumbled yessterday. oracle is among the latest corporations trying to beat the clock on next year's expected tax increase. oracle's board has approved accelerated dividend payments for the second, third and 4th quarters of next year. nhl owners and players plan to meet today in a renewed effort to move the puck on labor talks. let's see what's going on with the market today with matt shapiro, president of mws capital. good morning to you. > > good morning angie. > this is certainly one moody market. it seems to move on every word
, with what we have seen, with the fiscal cliff, it is virtually impossible. i think that senator demint can do more running the heritage foundation the way she would like to rather than sitting in the senate. dagen: does this also speak to him resigning from the senate, the power of the tea party, perhaps? >> i do not know it is the waning power of the tea party. i spoke with senator demint out and he feels that we have to do a better job with that. i believe that he thinks he can take the heritage network, and they do have operations around the country, at the state level, find out what works at the state and local level. there are models, social policy, education, welfare that have had some success out in the country that reflects conservative ideas. match that with the researchers in washington that to the policy work for heritage. connell: i think a lot of people will hear or read about this today and think about the conversation we have been having about the future of the republican party. does the tea party still have, you know, lindsey graham just put a statement out saying he is ver
with the fiscal cliff and dealing with our debt situation and not have a debt ceiling hanging out there as a diversionary but dangerous issue. but for some reason, inexplicable, the minority leader, the republican leader, changed his mind. now, he said on the floor well, important measures deserve 60 votes, but when he brought it up earlier, he acted as if he was in favor of it, he was offering it. and now, of course, essaying no, he's going to object to his own resolution. i wish he would reconsider. again, playing -- using the debt ceiling as leverage, using the debt ceiling as a threat, using the debt ceiling as a way to achieve a different agenda is dangerous. it's playing with fire. and yet, with the opportunity to take that off the table, reassure the markets, the minority leader blinked. i don't know why. it's hard to figure out the strategy that he's employing, but we would hope on this side of the aisle -- and i think i speak for all of us -- that he would reconsider and perhaps early next week let us vote on his own resolution. i yield the floor. mr. schumer: i notice th
on in town. in washington news, both parties hinting at renewed talks on the fiscal cliff. the acknowledgement of open lines of communication passed for encouraging news. a new survey finds more than 60% of leading investment professionals predict a shorp stock decline in the market if the government fails to come up with a deal. in this case defined as a more than 10% drop in the dow. 56% surveyed foresee a deal to avoid the cliff by year end, 44% predict failure in the ongoing negotiations. as for corporate america, through yesterday's close, there have been # 70 announcements of special dividends. these special difference deebds are valueded a more than $30.1 billion. among the latest names, mcgraw hill will pay a special dividends of $2.50 a share before year end. and drop its previously announced plan to buy back up to $200 million more of stock this year. >> everybody's paid their dividends this year, so they won't be paying them next year. >> this is a major issue. what's going to happen is -- we have two great economists onset. but that money will get annualized, s
. an apparent suicide. geraldo investigates. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff, the white house has wasted another week. >> is the president set on driving us over a fiscal cliff unless the g.o.p. caves or can a deal be made? >> our allies no longer trust us or have confidence in us and our adversaries no longer fear us. the president can make bold statements and bold talk but i don't care they care. >> rioting in egypt. civil war in syria. and radical hamas leader is welcomed in gaza. obama's mid ootion policy is in shambles and former vice president dick cheney says the president's failure puts us all in danger. >> gong ma'am style. >> i love this little chubby south korean guy. >> it's the most downloaded video of all time. >> this is the pony, remember chubby checker. >> gangnam style. >> and bill o'reilly sits down with jay leno. we'll show you the highlights from the late night gab fest. caution, you where to internet no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> hi everywhere, i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. g.o.p. and post election blues. th
a fallback plan for the so called "fiscal cliff", which includes extending tax cuts for the middle class and resuming a fight over spending and taxes for the wealthy later. meanwhile, going overseas, nato makes a move on the turkish border with syria. military officials deny preparations for military intervention. protesters in egypt march on the palace as mohamed morsi flees. international and domestic news is all on the table for you this morning as we open up the phone lines. also, send us a tweet. or post your comment on facebook. or send us an e-mail. we will get back to that new york times story. first, some other headlines on the domestic front. here is the "washington times." also, sticking with the senate, the baltimore sun reporting this headline -- in politics, here is the denver post -- open phones before the first 30 minutes. we have a short show because the house is coming in at 9:00. steve in gaithersburg, maryland, a republican caller. caller: host: when did the republican party become the party that restricts poor? i understand the tax cut for the rich is important to so
. there are only 23 days left before we dive over the fiscal cliff. republicans say we can avoid it. the president says he has a different plan. the the president doesn't want an agreement or compromise, he wants to get his way. >> what happens if the president does get his way? we'll explore that. >> hello i'm mike in for dave. apparently such a thing as a free lunch. 30 million dollars of your tax dollars were supposed to help kids affected by superstorm sandy. instead all of new york's kids are eating for free. >> clayton: do you think this 90-year-old statue is offensive? take a look at the screen, offensive. a man basically standing on a woman. some people's rights groups do and they're trying to get rid of it. we'll explain. "fox & friends" begins right now. ♪ >> straighten up your socks, mike. >> pulling up the socks, a long four hours. >> alisyn: and get dressed before the show? >> hoyt hoist them up. mike jerrick is in for dave. >> hi, everybody. >> clayton: and get the heisman trophy winner and dave was so jealous, he didn't get so see john am i manziel. >> and freshman. >> alisyn: a
the fiscal cliff negotiations and peace in the middle east. >> is everyone okay with that? [inaudible conversations] [laughter] we are talking about what extent a middle-class tax breaks for me to middle-class families. today at 2:00 p.m., people can ask the president questions on twitter with the hash tag my 2k. after that, this come in this afternoon from the president has a bilateral meeting with the prime minister of bulgaria and this is an important relationship with bulgaria. the president will deliver a speech about 4:00 p.m. commemorating the 20th anniversary of the threat reduction program, which as you know, was authored by richard lugar. it has resulted in a regime that allows us to achieve our the president's highest priorities, and that is to secure safety around the world. it is important have to remember that when it comes to these kinds of objectives, democrats and republicans, we can come together and see very important things come and the president looks forward to this. we also want you extend our congratulations to the duke and duchess of cameras that they are expe
-called fiscal cliff. >> this weekend on c-span3's "american history tv," follow harry truman's eldest son, as they prepared to mark the dropping of the atomic bomb on 1945. >> i know everyone has their own view. i don't want to argue survival. i think we're past that. i want to do what i can to see that this doesn't happen again. >> clifton truman daniel will join us to discuss the inspiration for his trip sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span3. >> a report by the group securing america's future energy says the greatest threat to national and economic security is dependence on foreign oil. members of the group, business political and retired military leaders are suggesting a plan of maximizing oil and gas production, reducing consumption, and improving conservation as a way to boost revenue and reduce our debt. this is a little less than an hour and a half. >> good morning, everyone. thank you all for coming. i especially want to thank the members of the leadership council that could be with us here today. they've been a distinguished group of people working on this issue since 2006. we'r
the fiscal cliff. now, the republican plan purports to cut $1.3 trillion and raise $800 billion in new revenues. it did contain four specifics. four. cut medicare specific number one. $600 billion. cut medicaid, pays for nursing homes for seniors, of course. priority number two. three, cut the adequate cola for seniors on social security. even though 40% of seniors depend principally or totally upon social security and the cola already underestimated inflation particularly for medicare, essentials they need. cut that. not a driver of the deficit but, hey, cut that. one more specific. preserve the bush-era tax rates for income over $250,000. it's not a tax increase for everybody who earns over $250,000. it's only the income over $250,000 that would get additional taxes if the bush-era rates went away and the president's proposal was passed. but, no, they want to preserve -- totally preserve tax cuts for income over $250,000. they want to preserve the reduced capital gains rate and dividends rate which principally who ben pets, who else, millionaires and billionaires. now -- benefits, wh
house briefing for white house reaction to the negotiations on what's called the fiscal cliff and the republican counteroffer from yesterday coming january. in the meantime a look at the republican plan with oklahoma republican tom cole from this morning's washington journal. >> host: we want to welcome back to the table congressman tom cole, republican of oklahoma. let's begin with the news. house speaker john boehner sent a proposal to the white house yesterday, counterbid as it is being called. what do you think? >> guest: i think it is a great opening start. actually it makes very tangible with the speaker committed to after the election which is we are going to put it on the table so that question is settled and we are not talking about how much and what way, but that is an enormous step forward honestly by the republicans or concessions. not something we want to do but something we recognize we have to do to get there. so i think the speaker's proposal directs us to words what some of the problems are which are entitlement spending. that is what is driving the debt and w
. the fiscal cliff glasgows from being half full to half empty and it is more immune to disappointment. they will be gone and checked out and sold. they will be replaced by strong holders. these people believe that some kind of deal is inevitable. they feel it won't have much of an impact on the economy. mellow drama even. and this is their group of strong holders. well, i should be better off going over the cliff. rich will pay more on their fair shares and higher taxes on dividends. and the bloated defense budget. unnecessary social programs. i think we aren't where we need to be when it comes to abandoning all hope. i think those people are polyannas. i think we go into a recession with lots of layoffs and the fiscal cliff was designed to pr compromise. everyone knew about the growth. fewer jobs, larger deficit. as i said last night, it doesn't matter, we can pick our stocks and buy them down. ulta salons, but i want to suggest to other groups that are going to give you bang for the buck, betting that the hope will be squeezed out and the bottom gets put in before a deal is made. wh
off the fiscal cliff and the congress is blaming for inaction. >> it's unacceptable to hold the middle tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let the tax rates go up on the wealthiest americans. >> the republicans call this a bait and switch. >> alisyn: we'll debate. >> dave: one massachusetts town rolling out the welcome mat to long islanders for christmas tree lighting after the they refused to budge on the holiday event. the p.c. please. >> should you tip your garbage collector or how about your child's teacher? we have tips for tipping or the barista at starbucks. >> dave: no! sorry, ladies and gentlemen. >> "fox & friends" begins right now. ♪ >> are you supposed to tip the teacher. >> dave: some are, some are not. >> you want to err on the side of tipping and is it too much. do you tip the garbage man or the postal employee. you leave a bunt cake outside. >> alisyn: yes, money. they want money. >> dave: we'll get into it later, but it's tough because it used to be you tip someone for extraordinary service. >> alisyn: right. >> dave: now you just tip someone please. >> a
heads back to work this morning as the clock is ticking down toward the impending fiscal cliff. talks, though, seem to be at a stalemate. yesterday with just 29 days until tax hikes and deep spending cuts kick in. both republicans and the democrats were running to the airwaves to try to explain their positions. here's what they said. >> what we're not going to do is extend those tax cuts with the wealthiest americans. those cost a trillion dollars over ten years and there's no possibility that we're going to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making the concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> the administration has presented a plan that calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues. $400 billion in cuts to medicare and other entitlements. $50 billion for a new stimulus and congress would have to give up control over raising the debt limit. re
, a lot of news to get to on this monday. first, of course, talks over the fiscal cliff. they are going nowhere fast. democrats, they're basically telling republicans, hey, ball's in your court. we'll take you live to the white house for that. also, as the city grieves over an nfl player's tragic breaking point, new debates today about gun control and domestic violence. you'll hear both. but first, the u.s. has long believed syria has a huge stockpile of chemical weapons. now new concerns that chemical arsenal is on the move. secretary of state hillary clinton today issuing another stern warning against syria, using these weapons. the syrian foreign ministry quick to respond here saying it would not use chemical weapons against its people if it had any, but this announcement as turkey is sending warplanes to its border with syria after the syrian military bombed a nearby town of ras al-ain. you can hear that and see the smoke. this is the turkish side of the border. this is fueling more fears that more of syria's violence will spill into its neighbor to the north, being turkey. security
congressman randy forge on the president to go over the fiscal cliff. >> gabby douglas on the role of her try iumph. >> governor mike huckabee. >> thank you very much. great audience thank you from huckabee fox news studios in new york city. >> for the past few weeks i have 48 city scarlet i met several hundred who watch the show every week. there is political gridlock on both parties and many of you are concerned about the country. your kids and grand kids could have a better life in you. the recurring theme i heard over and over was the sense that our leaders weren't leading and they aren't listening. the elections accident a clear message. they said meet the new boss instesame as the old boss. same president, same senate, same house. we truly made have will sunk the titanic. we may have put too much hope in human beings could have solved problems in many cases not nearly as booed good at it. you at least balance your checkbook at home and you pay your bills and you show up for work. washington hasn't balanced it's checkbook. it has to borrow money from the chinese to pay its bills. barely
>> even the late night comics getting fed up with the fiscal cliff stuff. good morning, everybody. i'm brian sullivan and welcome to way too early. only 2 1/2 more shopping weeks left until christmas by the way. so do your duty, america, bring our economy back from the brink. we've got a lot to talk about on this wednesday, december 5th. thanks for joining us. including a shameful display of partisanship in congress that resulted in the voting down of a u.n. treaty aimed at spreading rights for disabled people. even the venerable bob dole could not bring both sides together on this one. also major unrest in egypt as 100,000 protesters stormed the palace in cairo forcing president morsi to flee. we'll update you on the situation there. but first our top story live here at 5:30 a.m. at 30 rock in new york city. and we begin with the latest on the rapidly approaching fiscal cliff deadline of automatic tax hikes on everybody and what appears to be a stalemate in the negotiations. in his first interview since the election, president obama reiterated his demand that any deal must raise
of congress plus it puts the fiscal cliff and place right now and you lay it out i'm sorry, count me out. stacte want to take the first question? >> you raise a good point. this is where people's eyes glaze over. they can say whatever you want them to say. but the notion, i do think that there's been to the relationship between revenues and the titles and if we want to go bigger the better we need to push all of those, the smaller unit and the less you do on the other side, but there are some who say the idea of the american public is going to buy into this notion okay we are going to look devotees taxes go up so everything can be returned in a tax cut, and we go through this magical power. they are going to think 90% of the approval. so, you're going to have a general consensus. you do this year to get 500 of that in the interest savings alone. this should not be as challenging as it is. >> the other thing i would disagree about is the fact and i have been a huge jet kit and continue to be a huge advocate of tax reform debate and it's a critically important piece and i do think the noti
, we're weeks from january 1st the fiscal cliff deadline. at least we're not stuck on the road to moscow. take a look at video out of russia, thousands of drivers in sub zero temperatures, little food or help for days. it's a one mile long traffic jam. heavy snow in moscow caused a stand still and links with the second biggest city, no, in november, december in russia? who would have thought? the issue of gun control took center stage during the half time show of a football game last night. and listen to what bob costas said in response it a murder-suicide over a kansas city player. >> handguns do not enhance our safety. exacerbate our flaws and tempt us into arguments and embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it. and here is what i believe if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and cassandra perkins would both be alive today. stuart: we want to know what you think. go to our facebook page, weigh in, we value your opinion. and a top environmentalist, will a carbon tax will cause the glaciers from melting and temperatures from rising. his response in one second. >> ann
pulling off their own plan to deal with the fiscal cliff. connell: the white house predictably saying, no deal. the parameters are there now. we can start to imagine what a deal may look like. >> i think that is right. they have been adamant in saying we want more revenue. they have kept the rates down. they have had spending cuts. i think they will find a deal just over a trillion in revenue. dagen: it is a turnaround for the republicans to say that we will raise revenue. how they get to it is very different from anything we have heard from president obama. >> i think that the president and the democrats are dug in. they want to raise the marginal tax rates for the upper earners of america. they are willing to allow a deal to lapse rather than have the tax rate rise. connell: maybe there is not a deal taking shape. they could say something like, we will raise these rates, but instead of $250,000, it has to be $500,000 or $1 million. there are ways to play a round with this. >> i think the republicans would lose, frankly, being the majority in the house. if they go ahead and give the
'm disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. the fiscal cliff is a serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> welcome tt colonel, editorial report, i'm paul gigot, not a meeting of the minds between president obama and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any final deal. wall street journal columnist and dan henninger, and mary an anna-- anastasia o'grady and kim strassel. you've been talking it it sources and is the mood as hour as it sounds. >> it is by the end of this week and here is why, the republicans came out right after the election and said to the president, you want revenue here. you want revenue on the wealthy, we'll give it to you, limiting tax deductions for the wealthy. the president instead of taking that and running with tceiling a deal has been campaigning for tax hikes and to cap
on with the fiscal cliff right? are we going to balance our budget by lessoning lessening the support to those with disability or focus on those at the top 1%. this trend is ongoing and i hope it doesn't continue. the bipartisan tradition around disability is longstanding, and i think it's mourn. it's one of those few issues that traditionally both republicans and democrats can agree on, and i hope we can get back to that point. a lot of work need to be done in the republican party for us to get there. >> eliot: your point is so well taken. there should be no disagreement about extending rights to those with disabilities. this is not a partisan issue. it has not been historically a partisan issue. whom will you call? where will you begin when you go and reach out to the republican party and say guys, go back to your roots. you just lost an election because of the narrowness of your vision. expand it. who will you talk to? >> you know what? i will talk to everyone and anyone who will listen. we work he very closely with former senator dole, and i couldn't believe as he was sitting there in the
their fiscal cliff counteroffer to president obama. does it actually have a chance though? will the president and congressional democrats just blow it right out of the sky? we'll break it all down. >>> plus the mississippi river in crisis. water levels dropped to historic lows threatening to bring commercial traffic to a halt and spike food prices. have you even heard about this? the head of one mississippi barge operator joins us whether a disaster can still be avoided. >>> would you sublet your name for an entire year? a bidding war breaks out for the right to one man's name. he is here to explain his bold idea and how he is cashing in. even when they say it's not it is always about money melissa: first let egg look at the day's market headlines. concern over the fiscal cliff bleeding into the u.s. manufacturing sector. factory activity in november declined for the first time in three months. the news weighted down stocks helping shed 59 points off the dow. the raw materials sector hit hard by the contraction in manufacturing. shares of dupont were the biggest loser closing down 2%. dell ge
, everybody is saying it is a fiscal clove -- a fiscal slope, not a fiscal cliff. it is not like a zombie accomplice happens. if market confidence was up the window, that could be damaging. >> i think is likely there is going to be a deal, some other deadline for another deal next year. it is really important and they not said a whole series of opportunities to have that kind of collapse again. they have a couple months, but they have to make sure whenever they come up with for the last significant period of time. i think that will build confidence. i want to come back to the question of housing. i think is so important to overstate the importance of housing to the economy. especially from the starter business and start up perspective. those are the companies with a lot of job creation. they all grow very rapidly, sometimes growing into large companies. they are not starting up that high written all right now. a big chunk of that is confidence. folks often do not have financial resources. if there are looking at the value of their home and 401k, they are taking a risk. there are calculati
edges closer to going over the fiscal cliff. democrats and republicans cannot agree how to raise revenue and cut spending. on january 1st, as many of you know, taxes go up and doeep spending cuts take effect. the sunday talk shows reflect how far apart they are what we will not do is extend those tax cut force the wealthiest americans. there's no possibility that we will find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making a concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> speaker boehner added he is flabbergasted by the administration's proposals while secretary geithner said he believes a deal can be reached by the end of the year. >>> we could find out this morning if the supreme court will take up the issue of same-sex marriage. at 9:30 eastern, the court releases its orders list. there's a possibility justices will hear cases that challenge the federal defen
're not going over the fiscal cliff. if you look back at the history of in effect the immigration lottery system that we had, you'll find a lot of american entprures came through that program and this notion there is going to be a tradeoff, maybe preelection. that was the reality but not now. the change that took place on election day was these items like startup 2.0, serve for that. that's the starting point. dream act which i think is an embarrassment we didn't pass already, somebody who lives in a common wealth i see many kids grown up in virginia and gone to virginia hools and parents have paid taxes for years and in the process of trying to continue their american experience, we luckily were able to overturn legislation and try to exclude those folks from going to college. but that i think becomes now maybe not a given but it's sure as he can going to be fairly shortly. the chalsleng now going to be because there are these 11 million undocumented persons who work in america trying to sort through some path of legal status for those folks which i think has to be a national priority as well.
:00 eastern. john boehner makes remarks on the fiscal cliff. we will show you that when the happens. by now, a little bit more about the fiscal cliff. >> we turn our attention this morning about unemployment benefits and how insurance could back -- how insurance could be impacted. thank you for coming in. we want to start the discussion. when we're talking about unemployment insurance, what specific programs are we talking about here? >> unemployment insurance is the combination of federal and state programs. it usually lasts up to six weeks. it can be extended up to 93 weeks, depending on which they were in. it is this extension that we're really talking about as part of the fiscal cliff. >> that is what might be cut. that is what automatically expires. we know it cost $30 billion to continue additional unemployment benefits. of the deal i want to make, the benefits should continue. firm stand. we have seen in the past obama host: what specific benefits do guest: usually some kind of a cash benefit or they may help the search for a job. it is usually about $300 a week. it can vary from sta
. >> with 28 days left to come to a deal on the nation's fiscal cliff, the white house is holding firm on its proposal to raise taxes on the wealthy. spokesman jay carney. >> the obstacle remains at this point the refusal to acknowledge by republican leaders that there is no deal that achieves the kind of balance that is necessary without raising rates on the top 2% wealthiest americans. the math simply does not add up. >> ifill: the white house proposes raising $1.6 trillion in taxes over ten years, imposing higher rates on those making more than $250,000 a year. in a letter sent to the white house today, speaker of the house john boehner rejected the president's approach, writing that republicans cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. his counter-offer, save $2.2 trillion by among other things raising $800 billion in new revenues. the plan would also raise the future eligibility age for medicare and alter medicaid to save another $600 billion. the republican plan would not increase tax rates for the wealthy. the president is campaigning for
, is that right? >> another day, another huge company beating up the dividend payout to beat the fiscal cliff and the higher tax rates on dividends, so, join safeway to over 170 companies, that's the latest number we've got from the wall street journal, but i bet you it's even higher than that, so they join wal-mart and weight watchers and ethan allen just to name a few. >> i should be keeping track, it was 173 a couple of days ago, i've got to believe it's pushing 200 by now. i'll he get a number. >> yeah. imus: thank you very much. by the way, the dow is up 14 points and that's where we have it this thursday morning. time is money, 30 seconds, here is what else we've got for you today. two states vote to make marijuana real including for recreational use. and tommy chong will join us, and you never know what he's going to say. concussions, they're a serious issue for the nfl and its players of course, but it's a violent sport, football. and injuries are almost bound to happen. we'll talk to a former player who now advises the union on the concussion issue. and we'll talk to a chiropractor w
that created it. >> bill: sure. they're the ones who brought us to the fiscal cliff as we were talking yesterday because their super committee failed to do its job and now we have the sequestration hanging over our heads. >> they constantly create a situation, try to blame obama. >> bill: kevin, do you think we dare say look, hold the line and if you don't raise rates on the top 2%, we're not going to make a deal? >> absolutely. hold the line. i'll gladly pay more taxes than to have some rich son of a bitch pay more. >> bill: you and me both. that's all right. i'm willing to do it. i am a patriotic millionaire. i ought to -- i should join the club. thanks, kevin for the call. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." which was just as you say -- maybe it was starve the beast. i'll look it up during the break. going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party o
, here we go. it's been a busy week. fiscal cliff week for the most part, a lot of other -- that and a lot of other news to talk about today. we have the big job numbers coming up today as well for the month of november. it won't be quiet as critical as the job numbers were. remember that? that was right before the election. but still, it's very important. we'll be on top of that and all of the other issues for you and with you and hearing from you at 866-55-press. >> that's our toll-free number 866-557-7377. follow us on twitter. join us on twitter. more and more people do. at the whitehouse, so many of the reporters were saying how much they love following us on twitter. you should, too, at bp show @bp show @bpshow and facebook/billpressshow. team press here for the fifth day in a row all together. this is a new record action i think. here we are five days. nobody took a day off. peter ogburn and dan henning. >> happy friday. >> and cyprian bowlding wearing god knows what hat this morning. our videographer in chief. >> the washington fue
there will be no deal to avert the so-called fiscal cliff without the rich paying a higher tax rate. got it? higher rate. in this interview on bloomberg tv, he made it. let's listen. >> the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms in entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up, and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> there you heard it again, top rates have to go up, and rates. and some republicans are saying that the gop will ultimately say uncle. conservative columnist byron york, a very smart guy, wrote, quote, republicans will cave on the question of raising the tax rate for the highest income americans. the only question is whether they do so before or after the government goes over the so-called fiscal cliff. "new york times" columnist david brooks describes it this way. republicans will be raising middle class taxes in order to serve the rich. shafting sam's club to b
and knock me out. apple. if we're going off the fiscal cliff, we know capital gains tax rates are going higher, right? right? that's obvious. do you really think the republicans have the power to keep those capital gains rates down? apple's become a referendum on the president's power and polling. right now he has the upper hand, then he can really roll them and intends to do so. it's reasonable to take some profits so you can pay the tax man less now rather than more later. it's a wimpy thing, it's logical, makes perfect economic sense. especially if you hold apple. so the stock gets hammered. it makes sense to sell it. but let's be less emotional and even clinical about this one. first, divide apple's share price by ten, now you have a stock that got crushed down to $54. when you do that arithmetic, it isn't all that scary, is it? where does the pessimism fit in? when we have to endure the pin the tail on the selloff game, what excuses for the selloff, myriad alibis i hear from today's action. apple's losing share to google, it doesn't have the right phones in europe, nokia's making a
fiasco. >>> plus, congressman chris van hollen on john boehner's latest concession on the fiscal cliff. michael eric dyson and donna genteel-o'donnell on the political fallout. howard dean on chris christie's big decision on the obama care exchange. and apple's ceo breaks big news to nbc's brian williams. >> next year, we will do one of our existing mac lines in the united states. >> tonight, a story of economic patriotism in an era of bain capital with e.j. dionne. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. the reality start to set in on members of the republican party. republican senator jim demint of south carolina is leaving kplil capitol hill to become president of the heritage foundation. don't cry for demint. the out-going president of the heritage foundation made $1.1 million according to 2010 tax filings. demint will do just fine. it's not just about the money. the senator realizes he could be more effective for the conservative movement if he's not attached to the dysfunctional party known as the republican party. in a statement, demint said "i'm leaving th
on how to stolve fiscal cliff i'm sure heed like to hear that. >> while you are writing your next song i'd like to present you with your coffee mug. it might give you some inspiration. >> thank you so much. [applause] >> i want to thank the national press club staff including the journalism broadcast center for organizing today's event. and i was wondering if you had one last song you'd like to sing us out on. >> [applause] >> can she borrow your stool? >> this is my wife kim and here is the song we sing to our twin boys actually about two years ago we went in to sing them to sleep with this lull by and we got the guitar out and sat down on the side of the bed and we were about to play the opening cords and rough fuss looked up at me and said you know dad, we don't have to do this anymore. ♪ ♪ >> good buy and thank you very much. >> among the iletms on the agenda next week appointing members to a committee to hash out an agreement it was defense bill next year. the house planned to adjourn for the holidays next week but the house will be back in session december 17 to deal with the s
like adults and reach an agreement here on the fiscal cliff, the upside is much higher even than the downside is if we don't. that is what we should be looking forward to. we should do that now. think of how many people out there making a judgment of whether or not they will spend another $300 on christmas gifts if they think next month they are going to have $260 less in their paycheck. thank you all very much. thank you all. good luck to you. good luck. thank you. than kyou k you. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> this past thursday, south carolina and senator jim demint announced he is retiring from the senate. his colleague and fellow south carolina senator lindsey graham pay him tribute on the senate floor. >> madam president, i met with jim demint this morning. to say i was stunned is an understatement. jim indicated to me that he will be retiring from the senate next year and taking over the presidency of the heritage foundation, one of the great conservative think-tanks here in washington. m
possible on the fiscal cliff? does either side have a viable fallback? what will this brinksmanship mean for the economy and you? we'll get the latest from our decisionmakers. our capitol hill roundtable. debbie stabenow. tom coburn and jeep hensarling. >>> we'll get the decisions with our roundtable. then, our powerhouse roundtable weighs in on that and all of the week's politics. tea party stalwart abandons. >> conservatives on the hill are counting on us. >>> and the supreme court court takes on gay marriage. we'll break it all down with george will, james carville and mary matalin. paul krugman of the "new york times" and abc's own matthew dowd . >>> hello, again, just over three weeks away from that fiscal cliff, we just come off a week of press conferences, symbolic votes in senate, but less than an hour of serious negotiating. what will it take to break the stalemate? we'll get into that this morning, with two big roundtables of elected officials and experts. let's begin with the lawmakers. senator tom coburn for the republicans and debbie stabenow for the democrats. and congressm
for the worst if negotiations fail to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> one possibility in all of this, simply no agreement. the impact on the government and every single american taxpayer. it's thursday, december 6th. >> announcer: from abc news, this is "world news now." >>> good thursday morning. >> morning. >> i'm paula faris. we did establish morning is spelled m-e-r-n-i-n-g. >> m-e-r-n-i-n-g. nicely done. >> "merning," everybody. >> i'm rob nelson. we'll get to the discouraging situation on the fiscal cliff in just a moment. and we do have even a visual this morning. >> not yet. >> going to wait for it? very high tech. >> so high tech. working on this prop all day. all morning. >> weeks of planning. >>> we also have a major development in the case of software mogul john mcafee he was actually arrested last night. and this morning, police are taking more action after he tried to seek asylum in guatemala. a strange story gets even stranger. again he is now under arrest. >> bizarre to the nth degree there. >> yeah. >>> also this morning -- weeding through all the details on washington state
. >> a while ago you said that conversations continue on the fiscal cliff, but a senior g.o.p. aide said there are no talks and no private communications of any kind, no emails going back and forth. if this is the case, how can you -- >> somebody on background told you that. can i just say in answer to your question, we do not schedule meetings through the press and we do not negotiate through the press. we do not give the press our proposals before we give them to the republicans. we do not go to meetings with proposals and leak them afterwards and leak them to the press. that's not the way we are operating here. conversations continue at different levels among different groups whether there are emails exchanged at this moment, i cannot say but there are conversations taking place. the president met with scores of lawmakers last night and had conversations and i'm not going to get into the details of the conversations. inconceivable to me that there wasn't meaning of the fiscal cliff. >> watch all of this at c-span dorgan take you live of the lighting 2012 capitol lighting christmas tre
on the wealthy. he says this is needed to avert the impending fiscal cliff of automatic austerity measures that could drag the economy into recession. obama said on wednesday that federal revenues will not reach the level needed to implement his proposals to cut the deficit unless taxes are raid on the wealthy. >> there is a bottom-line amount of revenue that is required in order for us to get a real, meaningful deficit reduction plan. >> obama added that if republican officials acknowledged this reality, the actual numbers proposed by each party are not that far apart. republicans have made a counteroffer. they want to raise revenue by reviewing the current tax deduke system. house speaker john boehner has urged the president to compromise. >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. now we need a response from the white house. >> unless the two sides reach an agreement by the end of this year, the automatic tax increases and spending cuts will take effect in the new year. >>> time to get a check on the markets now. the nikkei here in tokyo rose above the
're fiscal cliff cliff fatigued to death. it's a real turnoff and we know it, but i want to address the issue in big picture terms with you because you're big picture thinker. i think at the end of the day we will have higher taxes on wealthy people, promises to cut spending somewhere down the road and don't worry about the debt, ignore it it. i think that's the outline of a big picture deal. what do you say? >> i sort of agree, stuart. there will be higher taxes. i do think the republicans will extract a couple of entitle reformat. a new way to calculate the cost of living adjustment and social security, maybe a higher payment by beneficiaries who are wealthier in medicare and finally the last point you make is the really intriguing one, that's the debt ceiling. and my hunch is the republicans will cave on taxes and they'll come back to fight again later in the winter on the debt ceiling and they could really extract major spending cuts by late winter. >> so you don't think the president will get the blank check that he wants, no debt ceiling? he wants no debt ceiling, you don't think he'll
's own matthew dowd . >>> hello, again, just over three weeks away from that fiscal cliff, we gave off a week of press conferences, symbolic votes in senate, less than an hour of serious negotiating. what will it take to break the stalemate? we'll get into that this morning. with two big roundtables of elected officials. the lawmakers. senator tom coburn for the republicans and deb jie stabenow for the democrats. and congressman hen sarlg. he said that for there to be a big deal, tax rates on the wealthy are going to have to go up. >> again, as the speaker has said, unfortunately what we see out of the president my highway or the high wway. one dollar revenue for 2.5 of spending reductions. now, after the election, it's a little bit of bait and switch. now he's asking for $1.6 trillion. for every one dollar of tax increase there's about 20 cents of spending reduction. >> i'm talking about the rates. if the rates go up, can the republicans accept that? >> no rep wants to vote for a rate tax increase. what that's going to do, is cause 700,000 americans to go from having paychecks to unem
of staff on how to stay off the fiscal cliff and what the party should learn from the last election. >>> next, when the u.s. aimed high in the 1960s, we sent a man to the moon w the same effort, we can now cure cancer, that's what the head of the largest cancer center in the word, m.d. anderson says. >>> and america has lost it's number one standing in lotts of areas, from competitiveness to education, the new number one in most cases a scandinavian country, what is the credit sauce? we'll dig into it. but first here's my take. as we debate whether the two parties can ever come together and get things done, here is something president obama could do probably by himself that would be a single accomplishment of his presidency, end the war on terror. for the first time since 9/11, an administration official has raised this prospect. said in a speech to the oxford union last week, that as the battle against al qaeda continues, there will be come a tipping point as so many of the leaders and operatives of al qaeda have killed or captures such as al qaeda as we know it has been effectivel
-called fiscal cliff, but so far there's been more rhetoric than resolve. there's now less than a month to head off the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that will kick in next year. john boehner said he can't believe the latest white house proposal. the obama administration insists there's no deal without a tax increase. susan mcginnis is in washington with details this morning. susan, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, terrell. it may appear the two sides are nowhere but these talks are expected to pick up dramatically very soon. december is here and as they say here in washington the lawmakers can smell the jet fumes meaning the planes taking them home for their holiday recess. what we're hearing there should be a deal by christmas. the white house is already decorated for the holidays but the mood here in washington is anything but festive. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> reporter: if congress doesn't act america will ring in the new year with $110 billion in spending cuts and a $500 billion tax increase leaving the average household with a nearly $3,500 hangover.
. thank you for the update. >> absolutely. >> in a few minutes, discussion about the fiscal cliff and how it would affect national security. in a little less than an hour, more about the fiscal cliff with republican representative tom cole from oklahoma. then the head of fema testified on capitol hill about the government's response hurricane sandy. later, we will re-air the senate debate on the u.n. treaty for the disabled. >> and tomorrow morning's "washington journal", peter welch, on the latest development of the fiscal cliff negotiation. after that, joe shaw looks at the estate tax, which is set to go up the end of the year plus, your e-mails, phone calls, and tweets. "washington journal" is live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. now come in a discussion of how the military and national security might be a affected by spending cuts at the first of the year. part of the so-called fiscal cliff. former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mike mike mullen, was joined at how services committee. this is a less than an hour. >> good afternoon. thank you for coming. my name is peter peterso
the details of the president's opening gambit in the fiscal cliff talk. he wants a $1.6rillion tax increase, 50 billion and stimulus spending. and the white house has the ability to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. a very big deal for folks there. today, the president is out there, trying to drum up support among the public. not in washington or with congress or the senate. here is what he had to say. >> it is not acceptable to me, and i do not think it is acceptable to you for a handful of republicans in congress will middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks go up. gerri: it sounds like the same old, same old. the president has been making the sa comments again. is this any way to sell a plan? >> there really is not. the president is not being serious about this. the fact that the president is out there campaigning on this rather than negotiating, it means that those that are negotiating, such as secretary geithner, they probably don't feel bound by what the president is saying. th is the fit gammons and certainly no
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